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RE: Just Thinking
Why not buy a new one now, then sell it when you retire and get another new one? Are you thinking if you buy a new truck now it will last you till you no longer have need of a truck? How many years of truckin have you got left in you?
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4x4ord
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11/15/23 10:22pm |
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RE: New and Old Skins
Just so everyone understands: OE tires - that is the tires that come on a vehicle directly from the assembly plant - are designed by the vehicle manufacturer, not the tire manufacturer. There are a few consequences of that.
An OE tire is significantly different than any other tire - even if the name on the sidewall is the same!
In the case of the Michelin LTX AT/2s the OE tires used by Ford for the past 12 years not only were labeled LTX AT/2s they had the identical tread pattern and weight carrying specs as Michelin LTX AT/2s sold aftermarket. In this particular case do you actually think there is something different between a Michelin AT/2 sold aftermarket and a Michelin AT/2 OE tire? I’m finding this hard to believe.
However, in the case of the Bridgestone Dueler it’s more believable. Bridgestone makes various Dueller tires and the ones on my Ford don’t look like nor are they labeled identical to any Bridgestone Dueler after market tires. Even so it wouldn’t surprise me if Fish is right and Bridgestone ends up selling these identical tires aftermarket in the near future …..what do I know ….. in my world something that looks like a duck and quacks like a duck has always been a duck.
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4x4ord
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11/15/23 06:13am |
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RE: New and Old Skins
Ford has been equipping their F350s with Michelin
A/T2s forever….. until now. My ‘23 has Bridgestone Dueller ATs on it. The interesting thing is that none of the Bridgestone Dueller ATs on the internet show the same tread pattern as what’s on my Ford.
https://i.imgur.com/3uStPiJl.jpg
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4x4ord
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11/13/23 01:29pm |
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RE: Fifth Wheel Tag Renewal
Wow. I guess we have it pretty good in AB Canada. I think I paid something like 80 to register our 5ver and it is a lifetime fee. Our trucks and cars are about the same price but have to be renewed annually.
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4x4ord
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11/11/23 08:32pm |
Fifth-Wheels
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RE: Ford 7.3 engine users?
I think Stevens and Snoqualmie are about 5% grades? My 03 Duramax was maxed out holding back a 14,000 lb trailer on about 7% grades (1st gear and about 5000 rpm). Unless your pulling a very heavy trailer an EB is hardly needed for 5% grades.
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4x4ord
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11/11/23 03:17am |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
So in theory, over 4000 lbs payload are possible, especially with lower lower trim levels. Those are pretty good numbers.
The payload rating is kind of a fabricated number in my opinion. I think the lower trim levels and or lighter engine options have lower GVWR numbers. I think you can get a little over 4000 lbs payload but not a whole bunch. (Get a lariat to get the 20” wheels but no sun roof for instance) I believe you need the long bed, the 20” wheels and the diesel engine to get the 12400 gvwr.
As an example of why I think the payload numbers are kind of fabricated take a look at my shortbox. It has the same strength frame, the same wheels/tires/brakes and the same suspension as a long box. So it certainly isn’t going to hurt anything for me to load my truck as though I have the same 12400 lb gvwr as the long box. And because the short box is probably about 200 lbs lighter than the long box ….. one could argue the shortbox should be able to carry a couple hundred lbs more than the long bed….. Although even if my shortbox had a 12400 gvwr it still wouldn’t be able to handle as heavy of pin as the long box. (The long box has less weight on its rear axle when empty)
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4x4ord
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11/10/23 08:10am |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
^^^You are correct. I think the diesel F350 crew cab long box with 20” wheels has a gvwr of 12400 lbs. The diesel long box super cab with 20” rims is 12300 lbs. I’m pretty sure all the 4x4 F350 diesels have the same rear springs and axle ….. the longer wheel base puts less weight on the rear suspension which I think is why the give a little greater gvwr to the longer wheel base trucks.
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4x4ord
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11/09/23 11:10pm |
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RE: Toy Hauler
Have you considered loading the toys on a deck truck of some sort and towing a tag trailer?
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4x4ord
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11/09/23 11:07am |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
The ‘23 is 12000 lbs and the ‘22 11500 lbs. Both have rear axle ratings of 7230 lbs …. so, really, as far as I’m concerned they can both handle the same payload anyway.
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4x4ord
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11/08/23 11:06pm |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
I hooked it up to the fiver and discovered that the electric over hydraulic setting for the hydraulic disc trailer brakes on the new truck is compatible with my trailer ... my 2022 wasn't, so that's a bonus. This is the first vehicle I've had with HUD ... I like it. Lane centering is not what I hoped for. I think the seat was more comfortable in the old one but maybe I just have to get it adjusted right. The tech is definitely an improvement. The sound system is amazing. Another surprise is that this one has a 3828 lb payload capacity .... not bad for a 4x4 diesel crew cab fully loaded SRW short box (my 2022 only had a rated payload of 3270 lbs. I look forward to towing with it but it's possible the '24 will be in before I get a chance to try this one out. ;)
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4x4ord
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11/07/23 08:56pm |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
^^^ I was trying to keep the discussion going, to see if I could get some responses more like:
If I was in the market for a new or near new $80k or $90k truck, I'd value miles at $.25/mile ($90k truck divided by 360,000 miles). So 28,000 miles is worth $7k. The HO engine is a $2500 option but I'd only be willing to pay $1000 for it. 2 additional years of warranty is worth $300 .... new tires $400. Going to the new style truck is worth $1500 cuz I'm going to get that back when I trade it 8 years down the road anyway. I come up with $10,200 difference between a new '23 vs a two year old '22. I'd flip a coin.
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4x4ord
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11/07/23 08:44am |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
On one side of the street you could buy a 2022 Ford F350 Platinum with 35000 miles on it for $70k and on the other side of the street there is the upgraded 2023 Ford F350 Platinum high output with only 10,000 miles on it for $80k.... which truck would look more appealing to you?
2022 and $10K to buy fuel. Especially if you're just going to turn around and buy a 2024 in less than a year.
I thought you didn't like the idea of flipping a truck every year? Why buy the '22 if you're just going to flip it for a '24 next year? (you're starting to sound as nutty as me) I thought maybe a guy like you might be more interested in buying the '23 and keeping it for longer? Also would it make any difference to you if you saw the $83,000 window sticker of the '22 and the $97,300 window sticker of the '23. In other words, after seeing the window stickers, would you be willing to pay 84% of MSRP to buy a 2 year old truck knowing that you could get a 6 month old unit for 82% of MSRP.
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4x4ord
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11/06/23 07:47pm |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
^^^ Marty, let me put the question to you another way: Imagine you are considering replacing your 2014 Chevy with a new to you diesel. After shopping around you narrow it down to two different trucks. On one side of the street you could buy a 2022 Ford F350 Platinum with 35000 miles on it for $70k and on the other side of the street there is the upgraded 2023 Ford F350 Platinum high output with only 10,000 miles on it for $80k.... which truck would look more appealing to you?
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4x4ord
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11/06/23 06:24pm |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
One of us seems to be missing something. Based on your comment you think that if a person knows something about HP, torque rise, towing etc, he should somehow have special insight into how others value the changes offered on the new 2023 Super Duty?
So... you want strangers on the internet to tell you their opinions on the value of changes from the previous year model of the same truck to justify your decision to keep spending money on a depreciating asset? And you feel that someone other than YOU is "missing something"?
Maybe you are right, cause I feel like I've been missing a lot in this thread...
Yes. I am interested in how strangers on the internet value the changes on the new Super Duty.... that's why I asked the question. What, in your opinion, am I missing?
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4x4ord
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11/06/23 03:43pm |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
Did anyone easy get a chuckle out of this thread, in that our resident expert on on all things truck(HP, torque rise, towing etc) starts a thread asking what people think about regarding the purchase of a new truck!
One of us seems to be missing something. Based on your comment you think that if a person knows something about HP, torque rise, towing etc, he should somehow have special insight into how others value the changes offered on the new 2023 Super Duty?
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4x4ord
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11/06/23 09:38am |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
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Banks found the Duramax/10 speed combination makes use of about 14% torque rise. He mentions that is a respectable number. The HO Cummins/6 speed likely makes use of more like about 33% torque rise.
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4x4ord
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11/04/23 12:05pm |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
^^^ The link wouldn't open for me. Is this the clip you were wanting to post.
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4x4ord
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11/04/23 11:26am |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
Using a 15% driveline loss the engine hp required for the Duramax to pull a 27000 lb trailer up the Ike in 620 seconds works out to about 406 HP
Making the same assumptions the 2020 Powerstroke would have had to make 434 hp to pull a 30,000 lb trailer up the Ike in 620 seconds
And using the same assumptions again the 2023 Powerstroke produced 414 crankshaft hp to drag the 27000 lb trailer up the Ike in 606 seconds.
If you look at the spec sheet on the three engines: the Duramax should produce an average of around 405 Hp throughout its rpm range
The 2020 Powerstroke should produce an average of around 430 Hp over its rpm range
The 2023 Powerstroke should produce an average of about 460 Hp over its rpm range.
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4x4ord
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11/04/23 08:21am |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
If the HO run up the IKE is the way they all run, I don't think it is worth the money. However, perhaps the resale value of having that option would come close to paying for itself.
I have a hard time understanding why the HO performed worse on the Ike vs the regular output. Maybe (just an absolute wild guess) it has a different turbo that doesn't like high altitude?
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4x4ord
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11/02/23 09:36pm |
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RE: I'm curious to know what you would do?
How much did you have to dish out for the 2022?
Since 2010 my cost of depreciation, repairs and maintenance has been less than zero.
A while back I think you convinced me your buying new regularly was not as crazy as I thought.
Nevertheless your cost since 2010 has not been zero.
How much have you spent buying your trucks since 2010? Have you simply recirculated the same $50K over that time?
I have to agree that since buying a new truck in 2019 my repair cost have been much lower than when I purchased used late model trucks.
That said, I will hold onto this 2019 until its worn out!
No, it hasn't been zero, it's actually been less than zero. I've spent $364,500 plus tax buying new trucks including the purchase of my 2011 King Ranch in the fall of 2010. If I sell my 2022 now, for what I am offered by the wholesaler I've been dealing with, I will have received a total of $374,000 plus tax for the sale of these same trucks. I'm certain I have spent less than $9500 on tires and oil changes ... I can only remember buying 1 set of tires, plus I have done of few oil changes, which I do myself. The total mileage put on the trucks I've owned in this time period is 224,000 miles. Again, I realize that this is not normal nor available to just anyone. As well, I think the time for this has likely about come to an end ... but it was good while it lasted.
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4x4ord
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11/02/23 10:55am |
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